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Sure, the first game did have the name ''Advance Wars: Under Fire'' at one point, but the "Advance Wars" brand was dropped prior to release along with any direct connections to series (outside of Japan, anyways). And contrary to what the [[Battalion Wars (game)]] page suggests, the game did NOT originate from ''Famicom Wars''. Kuju staff members have gone on record saying the game was never originally intended to have any connection to the ''Wars'' series during its design. It only got the name after Nintendo recognized some of the similarities and thought it might be more marketable with the name recognition. In the end it was ultimately determined that the game didn't have enough in common to justify the connection-- which is why it was abandoned in the West. The final game featured neither Orange Star, Blue Moon, any Lucky Charms-themed army nor any character from any of the ''Wars'' games what-so-ever. None of the games were marketed with ''Advance Wars'' connections either. The closest thing that connects the Western release to this series in its final form is the name "Wars", but going by that logic then the European release of ''StarFox 64'' (Lylat Wars) would have to be included here too since it was also published by Nintendo with "Wars" in its title. "Wars" isn't distinguishing enough a word to be considered a branding by itself. Only the Japanese releases (Totsugeki!! Famicom Wars) have the connection, therefore it's my suggestion that this section be renamed "Totsugeki!! series" only mentioning its loose connection with the franchise, not portraying it as a part of it itself. --[[User:RandomDude|RandomDude]] 16:14, 9 August 2010 (BST) | Sure, the first game did have the name ''Advance Wars: Under Fire'' at one point, but the "Advance Wars" brand was dropped prior to release along with any direct connections to series (outside of Japan, anyways). And contrary to what the [[Battalion Wars (game)]] page suggests, the game did NOT originate from ''Famicom Wars''. Kuju staff members have gone on record saying the game was never originally intended to have any connection to the ''Wars'' series during its design. It only got the name after Nintendo recognized some of the similarities and thought it might be more marketable with the name recognition. In the end it was ultimately determined that the game didn't have enough in common to justify the connection-- which is why it was abandoned in the West. The final game featured neither Orange Star, Blue Moon, any Lucky Charms-themed army nor any character from any of the ''Wars'' games what-so-ever. None of the games were marketed with ''Advance Wars'' connections either. The closest thing that connects the Western release to this series in its final form is the name "Wars", but going by that logic then the European release of ''StarFox 64'' (Lylat Wars) would have to be included here too since it was also published by Nintendo with "Wars" in its title. "Wars" isn't distinguishing enough a word to be considered a branding by itself. Only the Japanese releases (Totsugeki!! Famicom Wars) have the connection, therefore it's my suggestion that this section be renamed "Totsugeki!! series" only mentioning its loose connection with the franchise, not portraying it as a part of it itself. --[[User:RandomDude|RandomDude]] 16:14, 9 August 2010 (BST) | ||
:That may be so, but your mentions of the Japanese name essentially answer the question: in Japan, it is considered part of the Nintendo, or more accurately Famicom Wars series, and therefore, in the rest of the world, the Battalion Wars series is accepted as a sub-series of Nintendo Wars, a 'spin-off' of those games, per se. Generally, in disputable cases such as this, the original Japanese release is considered canon (ie. fact), and the Japanese placement within the Nintendo Wars series has, as I mentioned, been accepted internationally as placing the Battalion Wars series as a sub-series of Nintendo Wars, a collective series of military strategy games, be they turn-based (Advance Wars) or real-time (Battalion Wars). Lylat Wars is a moot point, as that was only released under that name here in Europe for trademark reasons. [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font>]][[User talk:Moydow|<font color="orange">dow</font>]] 17:04, 9 August 2010 (BST) | |||
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Does this series really belong here?
Sure, the first game did have the name Advance Wars: Under Fire at one point, but the "Advance Wars" brand was dropped prior to release along with any direct connections to series (outside of Japan, anyways). And contrary to what the Battalion Wars (game) page suggests, the game did NOT originate from Famicom Wars. Kuju staff members have gone on record saying the game was never originally intended to have any connection to the Wars series during its design. It only got the name after Nintendo recognized some of the similarities and thought it might be more marketable with the name recognition. In the end it was ultimately determined that the game didn't have enough in common to justify the connection-- which is why it was abandoned in the West. The final game featured neither Orange Star, Blue Moon, any Lucky Charms-themed army nor any character from any of the Wars games what-so-ever. None of the games were marketed with Advance Wars connections either. The closest thing that connects the Western release to this series in its final form is the name "Wars", but going by that logic then the European release of StarFox 64 (Lylat Wars) would have to be included here too since it was also published by Nintendo with "Wars" in its title. "Wars" isn't distinguishing enough a word to be considered a branding by itself. Only the Japanese releases (Totsugeki!! Famicom Wars) have the connection, therefore it's my suggestion that this section be renamed "Totsugeki!! series" only mentioning its loose connection with the franchise, not portraying it as a part of it itself. --RandomDude 16:14, 9 August 2010 (BST)
- That may be so, but your mentions of the Japanese name essentially answer the question: in Japan, it is considered part of the Nintendo, or more accurately Famicom Wars series, and therefore, in the rest of the world, the Battalion Wars series is accepted as a sub-series of Nintendo Wars, a 'spin-off' of those games, per se. Generally, in disputable cases such as this, the original Japanese release is considered canon (ie. fact), and the Japanese placement within the Nintendo Wars series has, as I mentioned, been accepted internationally as placing the Battalion Wars series as a sub-series of Nintendo Wars, a collective series of military strategy games, be they turn-based (Advance Wars) or real-time (Battalion Wars). Lylat Wars is a moot point, as that was only released under that name here in Europe for trademark reasons. Moydow 17:04, 9 August 2010 (BST)
